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Vadik Volkov
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:44:50 -
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The second you propose an idea relating to another, or many, other games the community majority will vilify you for it. The players who "PVP" want it to stay as it is. It is unfortunate, but meh, what you going to do. If the idea you propose has merit, the first thing you will hear is SANDBOX! SANDBOX!, like EVE is actually this player molded thing. |
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Posted - 2015.07.15 18:18:11 -
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Callum,
People who have played EVE for a decade do not want this game to change on the "PVP" side. They have an advantage and want to keep it that way. They want a cycle of new players with a lack of knowledge to pray on for as long as the game goes on. That is fun to them.
My advice would be to find a way to play EVE that you enjoy until CCP understands how much money they could make by changing the current "PVP" system. It is not changing anytime soon. There is a Sovereignty issue that is way too important. |
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Posted - 2015.07.15 18:30:35 -
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I do not disagree with your ideas, nor the ideas from others, or my own if I cared to share them in regards to "PVP". My point is that right now with all the sovereignty crap CCP is pushing "PVP" is not an issue. If "PVP" became an issue in the future there will be such a push of "No CCP, don't change my HULK SMASH method of killing other ships!"
The vast majority of EVE players who participate in the elimination of other players ships want a continued cycle of players who know absolutely nothing about EVE player vs. older-player combat. It is a money making tool for the veteran of EVE. When you want to change what they feel is perfect there will be a large backlash.
Many of the excuses of this will be; 1. You are stupid and out of touch with the "player base" of EVE 2. Sandbox 3. Sandbox 4. If you don't like it play another game.
None of those excuses address what you are talking about. There needs to be a change to keep new players around longer. To bring them up to speed with how the game works NOW, not ten years ago. |
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Posted - 2015.07.15 18:42:39 -
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Callum,
I actually agree with you..........
My thought I am attempting to convey to you is with the sovereignty business going on right now CCP is not in the mindset to alter the New Player issue.
I am by no means a vet by the way. I have 2 years in EVE and a small 20 million Skill Points. I attempted to play the "PVP" game early in my third month of EVE. It left me uninterested as actual PVP in other games was vastly superior. To this day I still play other games for PVP and play EVE for different aspects I enjoy.
If and when CCP wants player input to change the broken system they currently use to keep new players around, I will hash out my thoughts and opinions with you and others who want to see it changed. |
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Posted - 2015.07.15 19:02:52 -
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The reality is matchmaking wouldn't effect the game play of any of the vets posting here.
What it would do is prepare the new players for what may be around the corner. This scares the veteran EVE player because they may lose a fight to someone new or a fleet of new players. It may change one of their revenue streams.
Lastly though, and what in my opinion scares them the most is by making the game more inclusive to new players the old vets may also lose the ear of CCP. More changes may be made and it would anger the 100 million skill point vet. The long term player would not be able to cope with a wide arrangement of new solid PVP players. Ones who may take over the game that is their "precious". |
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Posted - 2015.07.15 19:11:26 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote: Just because you are bad at EVE and don't get the game does not mean they have to change the game. Grow up, EVE is not for everyone. Play those other games you enjoy
You cannot be bad at EVE. Remember its a sandbox, I do what I want. I enjoy pretty much all other aspects of EVE that are not "PVP" oriented. |
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Posted - 2015.07.15 19:18:07 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote: See, I knew you don't get EVE
Ima,
Please fill me in on what I am missing. Allow me to "get" EVE.
At the moment I am playing fruit ninja as its considerable more dynamic then EVE "PVP".
Lastly explain to me how Electronic Arts, Blizzard, Sony, Microsoft, and all the other companies, who have a higher over all player base are doing it wrong. |
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Posted - 2015.07.15 19:29:48 -
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Vishanka,
I think the point of the OP was missed.
The proposition made was to include a new matchmaking option so new players could learn a little bit about PVP. Though not a bad proposal, one that was met with almost no inclusive reasoning as to why it would be a bad idea. Most old players want new players to "do it like they did" mainly to ensure they stay on top of the food chain.
Matchmaking system is not going to happen. I favor a change to new player interaction, and introduction to PVP. But this will not be the change that takes place.
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Posted - 2015.07.15 19:55:38 -
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Ima,
Very well written. Though your explanation to why you play EVE is still different from why I play EVE.
The topic in this thread was if implementing a matchmaking option, to train new players would be viable. I honestly do not think a matchmaking system would train new players in a way that would prepare them for the rest of the EVE population. I do have to say in my opinion something needs to be done or the continued cycle of 1-3 month EVE players will remain the standard. Again my opinion, I believe most old EVE vets want to continue the new player shuffle. It benefits them. It benefits them to a large extent in the area of PVP the most.
I disagree that every aspect of EVE is linked to PVP. I don't PVP, yet I still have fun, I still do the things I want to do. I may not be the normal average player in EVE, maybe something of an anomaly, pun intended. I would though PVP if it was changed to something resembling what the EVE advertisements promise. And after 2 years in the game I have a fair grasp into why it hasn't changed. Honestly it never has to and I will be happy. To each their own. This still doesn't change my reflection of PVP in EVE compared to the PVP I have experienced in many, many other games. Its inferiority stands as a fact, not an opinion. If EVE PVP was as great as EVE (lol) "Elite PVPers" think it is, then why have other gamers not flocked to EVE for the PVP experience.
CCP could expand its player base by making PVP more accessible to the new player. The old player will not allow that to happen. Matchmaking could solve some of this issue, maybe. I am not so sure it would, but am also not against seeing something like this implemented. |
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:44:12 -
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Cidanel Afuran wrote:
That's why I said 'average MMO player'. It's definitely not all by any means. I am just going based on my own personal experience. I only started EVE two years ago, before that I very actively played SWTOR and Rift. I still jump into those two every once in a while. 90% of the people I know in those games give me the type of response I posted above when i try to get them to try EVE.
I wasn't trying to put EVE on a pedestal, I was actually pigeon holing EVE, not other MMOs. EVE is very unique in the MMO universe, which is why it has a smaller player base, and is why it has been successful for so long.
Cidanel,
I understood clearly everything you were trying to get across until "and that's why it has been so successful for so long."
The first question I ask you is successful at what? Now this question is kind of loaded because any moron could just argue, no matter what your answer is, against it. So I will clarify to some extent.
EVE has been successful, from where I sit, at having a player driven economy unmatched by any other game. CCP has given birth to a universe more in depth and "playable" then any I have seen anywhere. Even though PVE content is their last concern, it is not without noting some of the PVE experience you have in EVE can be more rich with lore, fun for groups, and very skillfully planed out.
I cannot agree that EVE is the foremost experts at Player vs. Player encounters. I will go so far as to say almost every other game I have played, with exception, has far more skill based (not talking skill points) but raw skill from player to the monitor, skill based combat. Before I started playing EVE I, like many others, watched the promo video. I expected to combat other players in a full 3 dimensional environment, where how I piloted my ship could mean the difference between life or death. Sadly that's not how to EVE PVP. Unlike many other players I did not get smart bombed while traveling and quit EVE. I stuck it out, and have tried in many ways and multiple times to enhance my PVP experience.
What I have learned and have accepted through knowledge and experience is if I want fast twitch, heart pounding, meaningful (to me) PVP, I must find it elsewhere.
To expound on the coffee analogy. I am an ex US Army combat vet. The coffee served to me was.......bad. I can drink pretty much any other coffee from anywhere and be satisfied, because well its better then Army coffee. Some analogies only apply to people who have had like experience. My writing in the forums today is an attempt to clue in another player that PVP changes are not coming any time soon. At the same time though with my very large experience in many other games, I can say with fair amount of confidence EVE PVP could be better. |
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